Climbdown on compulsory ID cards

Climbdown on compulsory ID cards

Postby Pollik on 01 Jul 2009, 14:24

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8127081.stm

Climbdown on compulsory ID cards

Home Secretary Alan Johnson has dropped plans to make ID cards compulsory for pilots and airside workers at Manchester and London City airports.

The cards were due to be trialled there - sparking trade union anger.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said that the reverse in policy was "an absurd fudge" and "symbolic of a government in chaos".

But Mr Johnson said the ID card scheme was still very much alive - despite Tory and Lib Dem calls to scrap it.

He said the national roll-out of a voluntary scheme was being speeded-up - with London to get them a year early in 2010 and over-75s to get free cards.

Voluntary basis

As a result of Mr Johnson's announcement, foreign nationals living and working in the UK will be the only group of people who will have to have the cards, with 50,000 already having been issued.

BBC political correspondent Jo Coburn said the government's original vision for ID cards was that the scheme would eventually become compulsory. This is another nail in the coffin for the government's illiberal ID cards policy
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The government has always insisted it would not make them compulsory for UK citizens without giving MPs a vote on the issue - and it would not be compulsory to carry them.

It had been planned to make them compulsory for all 200,000 airside workers from 2009 but instead the government announced there would be an 18-month trial, for airside workers at Manchester and London City airports only.

But the pilots union Balpa had complained that its members had effectively been forced into signing up for the cards.

ID cards were initially promoted as an anti-terror measure, but Mr Johnson said they should not have been sold as the "panacea for tackling terrorism" which he said had been responsible for "messing up" the debate.

Mr Johnson added: "People who worked airside were resenting the fact there was compulsion involved.

"Now we can have a much more constructive discussion about the issue if we remove that one element of compulsion.

He added that ID cards were "an important tool for tackling terrorism", but were not "the whole toolbox".

But Mr Grayling rendered the decision made them even more of a "white elephant".


Chris Grayling: "A complete bodge from the government"

"They have spent millions on the scheme so far - the home secretary thinks it has been a waste and wants to scrap it, but the prime minister won't let him," Mr Grayling added.

"This is no way to run the country."

Mr Johnson said it was "nonsense" to suggest he had wanted to scrap the scheme.

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne said the proposed ID cards would now be "nothing more than a second-rate passport".

"This is another nail in the coffin for the government's illiberal ID cards policy, which will soon be so voluntary that only Home Office mandarins seeking promotion will have them," Mr Huhne added.

"These expensive and intrusive plans should be ditched now."

'Back door'

Balpa's General Secretary Jim McAuslan welcomed the decision, which he said was "sensible".

He added that the union would "be stressing to its members the new voluntary nature of the scheme" and "monitoring airport operators to ensure they stick to the new rules and don't bring in compulsion by the back door".

Brian Boyd, national officer of Unite the Union, which represents thousands of airport workers and lobbied against compulsory cards for its members, welcomed what he called a "sensible choice" by the home secretary.

TUC general secretary Brendan Barber said the decision was a "victory for union campaigning".

However, in a statement, the campaign group No2ID said the "humiliating climbdown" was not the end of the scheme.

"It's just part of the ongoing attempt by senior Home Office officials to fortify the scheme against cancellation and to bind the hands of a future government," the statement added.

The rollout of the ID card scheme will be accelerated on a voluntary basis for UK citizens, starting in Greater Manchester by the end of the year.

Residents in other locations in the North West of England will be able to apply from early 2010, while the government's intention is to roll out the scheme in London in the same year - 12 months early.

Some 3,500 UK citizens have already applied for the cards.

But the Tories - who say they will scrap the scheme if they win the next general election - have written to five firms bidding to supply ID cards warning them not to sign any long-term contracts.

Shadow Immigration Minister Damian Green accused Mr Johnson of a "flagrant breach" of a ruling by the Speaker that ministerial announcements must be made first to the Commons by briefing the media before he released a written statement.
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Re: Climbdown on compulsory ID cards

Postby Alison on 01 Jul 2009, 17:29

This is excellent news, although it only addresses certain aspects.

The real place where we need a climb down is in respect the database itself. It is the database that will track you from birth to death and will be available for many purposes. Without being registered on it you will not be able to get credit, state benefits or even work. The database will be available via the Internet so you can check your details, and I have never yet seen a secure database. From next year, anyone applying or renewing a passport will need to be on the database. the ID Card will be voluntary, but to access your record for credit, benefits or work, guess what you will need! So it is voluntary, but you will struggle to live in the 'new world' without it.

You will be required to update your details on the database as soon as anything changes and the data will NEVER be deleted even after death.

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Re: Climbdown on compulsory ID cards

Postby Pollik on 01 Jul 2009, 18:29

but to access your record for credit, benefits or work, guess what you will need!


We will have to wait and see:

foreign nationals living and working in the UK will be the only group of people who will have to have the cards,


But then the govt has also been saying:

The government has always insisted it would not make them compulsory for UK citizens without giving MPs a vote on the issue


...and we know that they are not good on giving people the chance to vote.

Our political system looks very third world to me, at the moment. Sigh.
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Re: Climbdown on compulsory ID cards

Postby PaulaJaneThomas on 02 Jul 2009, 17:01

It's like a woolly jump. Once one bit starts unravelling the whole thing soon falls apart.
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Re: Climbdown on compulsory ID cards

Postby Holly1948 on 03 Jul 2009, 18:00

Pollik wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8127081.stm

Climbdown on compulsory ID cards

It's good news week!
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Re: Climbdown on compulsory ID cards

Postby Helen_Mortimer on 04 Jul 2009, 11:15

Except I'm not really sure it is - it's a climbdown on making them compulsory before the election for certain groups of British workers - it doesn't change the existing rules, and it doesn't stop the scheme in its tracks. I've read more than one article this week explaining that, once a critical mass has built up, it becomes almost trivial to make them compulsory, and that critical mass can be easily built up by requiring ID cards to access many government services - you cannot sign on without one, you cannot claim free health care without one, you cannot apply for a driving licence without one, you cannot get a job in the civil service without one, you cannot work on a government site without one, and so on...

Sure, it's a backwards step, but I'm not convinced that it's killing the scheme altogether - far from it...
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Re: Climbdown on compulsory ID cards

Postby James Morton on 04 Jul 2009, 13:47

Yes, I agree with Alison and Helen - it is the National ID Database which is the heart of the scheme and only if that is abandoned can the ID card scheme be said to have been fully cancelled. If getting a passport results in the same levels of ID data gathering and public service access to your most private historical information as getting an ID card would then there could still be significant problems with data protection and privacy for trans and gender variant people. I think the latest news is good news but not the end of the story by far. We probably won't start to find out what the future of the National ID Database will be until after the next General Election.

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Re: Climbdown on compulsory ID cards

Postby Alison on 04 Jul 2009, 18:20

James Morton wrote:We probably won't start to find out what the future of the National ID Database will be until after the next General Election.

This is very true.

I have confirmation in writing that the Conservatives will cancel the entire scheme not just ID Cards and we know that Labour are committed to the database part of the scheme regardless. The latest claims are that the data being collected for the ID Scheme is the same as they will have to collect for Passports in the future (due to European Directives) and therefore the ID Cards themselves are just a small add on to this scheme. The data already stated as being collected for the ID Cards is actually significantly more, and there is no requirement for detais to be updated on passports, let alone their being criminal penalties available if you fail to notify immediately of things like marriage, moving house, change of name and so on.

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